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WaveSurfing/DevilFISHChallenge
| 1st: pez.rumble.CassiusClay 1.9.9.00g | 140571 | 50000 | 10000 | 67142 | 13428 | 0 | 0 | 1000 | 0 |
| 2nd: Marcelo.Alpha.DevilFISH 1.3 | 5952 | 0 | 0 | 5952 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1000 |
See if you can beat that. Let's make it a contest:
| Bot | Author | Score share |
| Dookious 1.534NDS | Voidious | 99.680% |
| PulsarMax 0.6.33 | Pulsar | 99.079% |
| Phoenix 0.312b | David Alves | 98.701% |
| Engineer 0.2.5 | wcsv | 97.709% |
| SilverSurfer 2.42 | Axe | 96.251% |
| CassiusClay 1.9.9.07 | PEZ | 96.078% |
| GrubbmGrb 1.2.1 StopAndGo | GrubbmGait | 95.578% |
| DarkHallow | jim | 95.232% |
| SilverSurfer 2.35 HOT | Axe | 94.614% |
| Cyanide 1.41.2 | Alcatraz | 90.721% |
| CassiusClay 1.9.8.12 with HeadOnTargeting | PEZ modified by David Alves | 90.004% |
I don't think these challenges are very scientific... You're not doing anything to control the other variables. For example, a bot with the same movement as CassiusClay but a much worse gun wouldn't do as well, since it wouldn't kill DevilFISH as quickly and therefore would give DevilFISH more time to shoot at it. The same applies to the /BarracudaChallenge. If you really want to do a new wave surfing challenge, use the same rules as the existing MovementChallenge: have the bot that's shooting at you hold still, and don't fire at it. That's the only way you can guarantee that your gun isn't affecting the outcome. I'll make some bots for a more scientific wave surfing challenge after work today if you like. --David Alves
| 1st: pez.rumble.CassiusClay 1.9.8.12 with HeadOnTargeting | 132626 | 49400 | 9880 | 61215 | 12130 | 0 | 0 | 988 | 12 | 0 |
| 2nd: Marcelo.Alpha.DevilFISH 1.3 | 14729 | 600 | 120 | 13868 | 134 | 6 | 0 | 12 | 988 | 0 |
If this were *just* a test of WaveSurfing, changing to HeadOnTargeting would produce the same score. --David Alves
Interesting. Though none of these latter challenges where supposed to be scientific. They are tools in order to help people improve their movements (and guns, if that's where the work is needed). There is already the MovementChallenge for the more scientific tests. Your "more scientific" bots belong there. When you have them ready it's as easy to run CC there as to set "isMC = true" in the CassiusClay class. 90% against DevilFISH using HeadOnTargeting huh? I'm impressed by myself. Beat that! =) PEZ
I knew a DevilFISH challenge would wake you up Axe. =) Welcome back! -- PEZ
Just for fun (and also trying a "scientific" approach), I made a HeadOnTargeting version of SS... The result of 94,614% is way over my best expectations, and probably shows how weak is my cannon (maybe not that weak, but definitely HEAVY, it makes me skip some turns)... IŽll try the same HOT version in BarracudaChallenge... -- Axe
That score is mad! Well done Close Combat Master! -- PEZ
Whoooooo! Pulsar. What have you fed PM? Congrats! -- PEZ
Fed him some Marcelo.Alpha.DevilFISH! I'm quite surprised as well, just ran one try and came up with this and it seems to be quite reproducible. The other challenges are the best recorded results for PM, this is just about ordinary. The now-in-the-works 0.5.21 is currently scoring 98.567%. I'm suprised I'm not scoring better against BotB? now instead. --Pulsar
Well, todays boring insight is that DevilFISH doesn't move unless it thinks you're firing at it... Which makes the DF Challenge II a bit too different from the general challenge... However, if you have a good movement you can obviously score better (from an RR@H point of view) against DF by not firing at it. Maybe there are many bots like that? -- PEZ
Hmm, CC scores better by not firing at DevilFISH? Maybe you should put some if (!DevilFISH){fire();} logic into CC anc collect a few rating points. :-) --David Alves
I had noticed this some time ago, actually, lots of bots have this kind of behaviour, Barracuda is other. -- Axe
1st: davidalves.Phoenix 0.312b 142893 50000 10000 69078 13815 0 0 1000 0 0 2nd: Marcelo.Alpha.DevilFISH 1.3 1881 0 0 1880 0 1 0 0 1000 098.7% --David Alves
Added the score for Dookious 1.09 (gun data saving turned off) over 30 seasons. -- Voidious
1st: gh.GrubbmGrb 1.2.1 145364 49950 9990 70641 13003 103 1676 999 1 0 2nd: Marcelo.Alpha.DevilFISH 1.3 6726 50 10 6630 15 20 0 1 999 0Now against the right DevilFISH --GrubbmGait
Doh, I fought against wiki.nano ... I'll re-run later against the right one. -- Voidious
Ok, 96.94 instead of 96.91 against the "right" DevilFISH. -- Voidious
Wow, color me surprised - first place by a margin with my recent movement tweaks. That's averaged over 3 seasons. -- Voidious